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So apparently I am going to comment on this topic
I was being good. I really, really, was. I'm a member of OTW, an avid user of AO3, and an occasional contributor to Fanlore, but I've never volunteered, and the few glimpses I've had of the organization's inner workings have been decidedly one-sided. There are so many other people who are far more involved and invested than I, saying smart and helpful and important things about the OTW election and all the issues it has raised, so I was content to sit this one out and not get involved beyond reading up on the issues and casting an informed vote in the election itself. Because what can I really add to the conversation at this point anyway?
But I guess everyone has their limits, and today I reached mine.* And I find that there are two things I want to say, the second of which I've been thinking about lately for other reasons and may come back to in more general terms soon.
1. If one is embroiled in a public controversy, it is the opposite of helpful to say that people are misrepresenting and/or misinterpreting your words and actions and then refuse to either share your side of the story or engage with the people you claim are misrepresenting you. Especially when the charges against you include an unwillingness to take criticism.
2. Relatedly, negativity and criticism is not the same thing as vitriol. It really, really, isn't. Yes, there have been many criticisms of the OTW and its leadership, and some have been in harsh terms. But I have yet to see anything that looks like people throwing rocks. Every criticism I have read has been thoughtfully written, well-sourced, and presented with the intention of making fandom a better place, and I've been reading pretty widely for the last week or so. The conflation of all criticism with rock throwing is something I see all the time in fandom, and it's an attitude that's always bothered me. In order for there to be progress, there must be debate. Where there is debate, often there will be disagreement. If there is too much pressure to be "nice" and to get along, the necessary space for debate and disagreement can get lost. Is it possible for disagreement and criticism to get out of control and reach toxic levels? Sure. But from what I've seen, this does not seem to have been the OTW's main problem. From my outsider's perspective, this whole discussion has the feel of a boil being lanced, of pent up frustrations and concerns finally being spoken in public, of people finding each other and having the conversations they've been wanting to have for years but didn't have the right words or venue to have until now. Given that, I have to believe that getting all this out in the open is going to make the OTW healthier in the long run.
*I want to be clear: I am a long-time admirer of Ms. N. Her books are among my all-time favorites, and her contributions to fandom are undeniably huge. Her leadership has been invaluable, and no matter what happens this week, it will continue to be so. But (or, perhaps, therefore) I am really, really disappointed in this response. I wouldn't criticize if I didn't expect (and hope for) better.
But I guess everyone has their limits, and today I reached mine.* And I find that there are two things I want to say, the second of which I've been thinking about lately for other reasons and may come back to in more general terms soon.
1. If one is embroiled in a public controversy, it is the opposite of helpful to say that people are misrepresenting and/or misinterpreting your words and actions and then refuse to either share your side of the story or engage with the people you claim are misrepresenting you. Especially when the charges against you include an unwillingness to take criticism.
2. Relatedly, negativity and criticism is not the same thing as vitriol. It really, really, isn't. Yes, there have been many criticisms of the OTW and its leadership, and some have been in harsh terms. But I have yet to see anything that looks like people throwing rocks. Every criticism I have read has been thoughtfully written, well-sourced, and presented with the intention of making fandom a better place, and I've been reading pretty widely for the last week or so. The conflation of all criticism with rock throwing is something I see all the time in fandom, and it's an attitude that's always bothered me. In order for there to be progress, there must be debate. Where there is debate, often there will be disagreement. If there is too much pressure to be "nice" and to get along, the necessary space for debate and disagreement can get lost. Is it possible for disagreement and criticism to get out of control and reach toxic levels? Sure. But from what I've seen, this does not seem to have been the OTW's main problem. From my outsider's perspective, this whole discussion has the feel of a boil being lanced, of pent up frustrations and concerns finally being spoken in public, of people finding each other and having the conversations they've been wanting to have for years but didn't have the right words or venue to have until now. Given that, I have to believe that getting all this out in the open is going to make the OTW healthier in the long run.
*I want to be clear: I am a long-time admirer of Ms. N. Her books are among my all-time favorites, and her contributions to fandom are undeniably huge. Her leadership has been invaluable, and no matter what happens this week, it will continue to be so. But (or, perhaps, therefore) I am really, really disappointed in this response. I wouldn't criticize if I didn't expect (and hope for) better.
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But I still think that constructive criticism is one of the best gifts that can be given, whether it's to a fanfic or an organization - or an individual. It's a tough one, but it really means somebody cares.
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And it is possible. There is no law saying honest critique can't be kind and respectful. But this is only tangentially related XD
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I love that image, actually, and also I totally agree. It's hard, but it's also important to try, whenever it's reasonable to do so.
I wonder sometimes if the problem isn't people conflating "angry" with "mean". I have seen an awful lot of (justified!) anger in people's posts and comments, and I don't deny that it might sometimes have slipped over into mean, but that doesn't seem to be the prevailing mood.
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I've been watching the OTW situation from afar. ... Hrm. I have had weird feelings about the OTW, to be honest (and I've posted about them a few times over the past 14 months, starting with when I deleted my original A03 account and onward). Those weird feelings have made me not want to get involved with the OTW and have limited my willingness to publish on A03.
My weird feelings about OTW were formed in 2009-2010 when I started investigating how I could help out as a software developer and user experience design (so I could join efforts with them rather than develop a semi-competing idea I have been playing with in my spare time). I think skud's epic post from the POV of an open source software developer fully and completely says everything I might have said if given the gift of eloquence that skud has.
So... yeah. I have not been the least bit surprised watching the OTW issues unfold over the past few months.
It makes me sad, especially when reading heart wrenching posts from people in fandom I greatly respect.
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But, beyond OTW/AO3, in my real life experience working on large, multifaceted, distributed projects run mostly by volunteer efforts, I've learned a lot about the importance of transparency (as skud said) and the need to invite, welcome, and trust lots of people--strangers!--to come right in and make all sorts of meaningful *small* contributions that add up into something far larger than any one person (or small group of people) could ever envision, manage, or accomplish on their own (like wikipedia).
Additionally there is a related but different concept: egoless programming which, IMHO, is best for all efforts but is absolutely necessary for the health of any volunteer effort or open source effort. Of course, the "egoless programming" concept can be applied to any creative effort. High quality concrit and egolessness go together hand in hand.
Anyhow, the formula I've seen for success is in creating bottom up efforts led by approachable people who check their egos at the door. Lots of top-down centralized control just doesn't seem to work well. But, that's all just speaking from my experience...
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Yes, this. Exactly. I found that post intensely disappointing, because in a way, it's confirmation that someone who will probably get elected to the board is content to dismiss the whole debate as vitriol and misinformation. It's indeed good for the org that all this is out in the open, but this brush-off is not a good way to start convincing people that you're willing to take criticism seriously.
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Totally. I would feel a lot more hopeful about the fact that so many folks are talking about these issues if I thought that the board would be in a position to work on them. But at this point, I'm not so sure.
Thank you for the excellent comments you've left on
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I don't really expect a reply, but public record and all that. And if I gripe about it after the elections, it'll just be unproductive wank.
ETA: http://astolat.dreamwidth.org/239952.html
Awesome.
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And the eta... I guess at least there's an acknowledgement, but it's disingenuous at best to claim that the questions in her post were raised "the day before the election". Because a) these question have been raised for weeks now, just not in her comments, so she's had plenty of time to engage had she so desired; and b) before the election is the only pertinent time *to* address them. I don't doubt that she really is busy, but this adds to the unfortunate perception that she is coasting through this election on her reputation.
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Okay, what you said. And the questions to that previous post were either about things that have been going on for weeks, or things that she's extremely familiar with (technical management issues as raised by Skud and others) and should be able to type at least an acknowledging paragraph about at the drop of a hat. If there is misinformation, people need to know what it is.
This is pretty insulting towards voters. Elections do not work this way. (Okay, they probably often do, but they shouldn't.)
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The volunteers who are expressing concrit are doing it in a much more respectful and constructive fashion than I would have, after this long a period with this much duress. I have adminned for various kinds of online communities, including one bloody huge one with upwards of 50,000 members, in the 90s through about 2005, so I do have some experience in cat herding on this scale. It's not easy. That's why communication and willingness to hear and address respectful concrit in a conscious, deliberate, and earnest fashion is so vital. People kill themselves volunteering, and you have to listen to them.
Your expression of #2 is so, so, so very much more articulate than what I'm saying, so, belatedly, "this."
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