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KJ ([personal profile] owlmoose) wrote2006-08-25 07:01 am

KH II plot question

Note to self: steer clear of plot bunnies for a game you've only played once.

Oh well, too late. This is something I have a vague idea that I'm right about but really can't remember for sure. Is there any indication in the game that Maleficent is working with Organization XIII? I'm thinking that she's really not, that she just happen to have some common goals. So they use each other when it's convenient, but really they think of each other as rivals. Is that a fair interpretation? If you came across, oh, say a fic with that as part of the premise, would it fit in with canon, or would it seem to you like the author was making stuff up?

[identity profile] mneme-forgets.livejournal.com 2006-08-25 03:10 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems like a reasonable hypothesis to me, although I know fairly little about the game myself. But it seemed like when Maleficent pitched in at the end with Sora and co. it was one of those "against the common enemy" alliances. After all, isn't her goal something like to create lots of Heartless, (for like world domination or something) while the Organization wants those hearts freed up for their own use? That's what I got out of it anyway.

(is not encouraging you at all because she wants to see you write KHII fic with Maleficent in, no, not at all *whistles innocently*)

[identity profile] owlmoose.livejournal.com 2006-08-25 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
The bit with Maleficent at the end was confusing. Were we meant to think that she and Pete were killed in action, or got away? I lean towards the latter (given that KH3 is supposed to be in the works), but I think it was vague. Either that or I missed something, which is entirely possible. ;)

[identity profile] mneme-forgets.livejournal.com 2006-08-25 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I say she likely didn't die too seeing as how even though Maleficent DID die in the last installment, the game designers found a way to bring her back. They're good at winging it, I think.

[identity profile] rabbitprint.livejournal.com 2006-08-25 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
A deal could be worked out during the fic if she was approached the right way. In the game, she seems rather against the idea of cooperating with them, but it'd work out in the fic, as long as it was shown that someone from the Organization did approach her and offer to share a cooperative benefit.

The biggest argument against it is that Maleficent had a very 'I'm on top and no one else' demeanor, but considering how cunning she is -- she worked with the villains in the first game -- if you had her approached the right way, and both her and the Organization only using one another (and aware of this), it'd work. The Organization really have a trump card in that the Heartless only work for Maleficent until someone stronger/the Darkness is around; at the same time, they need the creation AND destruction of the Heartless in order to 1. build Kingdom Hearts, 2. have more Nobodies.

You could probably get a 'cease-fire' easily if the Organization was willing to not have the Heartless directly under her control destroyed, or put their goal of Kingdom Hearts temporarily on hold. Or just have enough Heartless that they could sacrifice others.

It's an interesting idea and I think it could work well, if it was presented right in the fic.

[identity profile] owlmoose.livejournal.com 2006-08-25 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting thoughts, but the story I'm thinking about is more the other way around. I'm wondering if The Organization might sees Maleficent as a threat more than a potential ally, if they would work with/manipulate someone to help them take her out. I know she definitely turns on them in the end; what I can't remember is whether we ever see them working together.

[identity profile] rabbitprint.livejournal.com 2006-08-25 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
The nice thing about both the Organization and Maleficent is that both are cunning enough and willing to plan that I'm sure both would be willing to cooperate for a time, provided that they can see a profit from it.

At the same time, Maleficent's big trump card is her control over the Heartless, which goes away near Darkness; if she was getting strong enough to maintain more of her mastery over them, then she'd move up from 'passing amusement' to 'may as well plan to take her out.'

Maleficent

(Anonymous) 2007-01-15 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I think That Maleficent will be in the Kingdom herats 3 game because she has infant power at her control she can do anything summon Heartless,lightning and thuder storms and more she rocks!!