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KJ ([personal profile] owlmoose) wrote2008-01-13 11:13 am
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*Throws up hands in frustration*

"Fandom is traditionally a female space" is not some secret code for "We think all men suck and don't want to invite them over to play."

I want to sit down every single person, whatever their gender, who has gone on and on about how OTW is "excluding men" and make them read [livejournal.com profile] cereta's essay on "Fandom and Male Privilege" until they get it.

(This post brought to you by one too many idiot rants and wanting an excuse to post a link to the above essay, which I think is worth all of your time.)
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[personal profile] lassarina 2008-01-13 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
You saw that moronic post on [livejournal.com profile] fanficrants too, eh?

Word and agreement.

[identity profile] owlmoose.livejournal.com 2008-01-13 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
It was... something of a last straw, you might say.

Thanks!
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[personal profile] lassarina 2008-01-13 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I really don't know where people get their high horses from. I made some bitchy remarks in the comments to that post along the lines of "Metafandom swells with the topical; it's the way it is" and also "if you don't like the way MF categorizes posts, then make your own - oh wait, then you'd have to work."

If I singled out all the fannish journals (and I have a ridiculous f-list), I can think of maybe 2 that are definitely male-owned and maybe 2 more that I'm unsure of. This leaves probably 50+ either fandom-journals or journals-of-people-I-know-through-fandom that are female. IT'S JUST A FACT, Y'ALL.

[identity profile] owlmoose.livejournal.com 2008-01-13 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. I know a few men in fandom, but they are definitely the minority here.

It just makes me crazy, the fact that the automatic response to something like this is "but what about the poor oppressed men??!!11?" I get the same thing in the library world, from time to time. Of course, even though men are something like 25% of the workforce, they're far more likely to be in higher-paying technical positions or in management. There's no sexism in the world, no not at all. :P
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[personal profile] lassarina 2008-01-13 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I linked to another piece you might find interesting on women and fanfiction, besides [livejournal.com profile] cereta's.

I did an analysis of my f-list, listing everyone I might even broadly consider as fannish or who I met through fannish circles, and then listing out men and women. 18 men, 64 women, including 3 people whose genders I was not 100% sure of (one of whom I listed as a woman, two of whom as men.)

[identity profile] owlmoose.livejournal.com 2008-01-13 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I saw that; it's been on my to-read list for awhile now. Thanks for the reminder! I'm sure I'll have plenty to say once I finally sit down and read it...