*Throws up hands in frustration*

[owlmoose]

"Fandom is traditionally a female space" is not some secret code for "We think all men suck and don't want to invite them over to play."

I want to sit down every single person, whatever their gender, who has gone on and on about how OTW is "excluding men" and make them read cereta's essay on "Fandom and Male Privilege" until they get it.

(This post brought to you by one too many idiot rants and wanting an excuse to post a link to the above essay, which I think is worth all of your time.)

Comments

[justira.livejournal.com]

Wow, that's a whole lot of... I don't even know what. I do think that somewhere in there are some legitimate points that if they were stated with less stupid should be paid attention to. But for the most part: wow, what an ass.

I was about to start pulling quotes from it to froth at you about, but I realize that's pretty pointless -- probably we're angry about the same things.

But seriously, one of the most boggling -- not rage-making, but boggling -- parts is how he keeps saying OTW has nothing to show for itself. This is (a) not true, they're building a framework and (b) glaringly obvious and entirely in the natural course of things. They're going about everything carefully, step by step. They don't have much funds or infrastructure yet, but they're trying to build a solid base from which to make everything. I don't understand how he can fault them for this. I'm just! boggled!

Oh, and I have to apologize: I didn't mean to dismiss the issue of the gender conversation -- that's entirely not what I meant to say but I think I came off that way anyway. Uh. Whoops. D= It IS something that should be discussed, but it's also something that shouldn't be some big barrier to discussing all the other conversations OTW brings to the table. Does that make sense?

[owlmoose.livejournal.com]

I didn't mean to dismiss the issue of the gender conversation

Oh, no, that's not how I read you at all! I agree that it's miring down serious conversation. And I'm not the only one -- someone in the FFR comments basically said "I'm an OTW detractor, but I'm not doing that publicly anymore because I'm tired of distancing myself from idiots like you."

one of the most boggling -- not rage-making, but boggling -- parts is how he keeps saying OTW has nothing to show for itself

Yes, totally agreed. What is he expecting? Instant archive, just add water? Also, it seems a little contradictory. "Your project sucks and I want nothing to do with it! Also, why isn't it finished yet?" Sort of the same logic as "this food is terrible and the portions are too small".